Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

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Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue May 21, 2013 9:53 am

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When Aida (Claudia Cardinale) is dumped by her lover, she travels alone to the big city. Her former lover's younger brother Lorenzo (Jacques Perrin) takes her in, protecting her and falling in love with her. The "pair" have many obstacles: their ages (Lorenzo being only 16) and Lorenzo's family, who go to great lengths trying to stop this cross-class affair (with Aida in the lower class). Aida begins a relationship with a new man but Lorenzo is unwilling to let go. When they do eventually part Lorenzo leaves Aida with a large sum of money as a farewell gift.
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Post by B-Side » Tue May 21, 2013 9:55 am

does cardinale get nude cuz if not then i can't participate
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue May 21, 2013 9:57 am

Is there a particular day people would like to aim for?

Also, if anyone could grab this and then re-upload it to some file sharing site, that would be great!
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Post by Notes from Underground » Tue May 21, 2013 10:01 am

I might watch this.
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue May 21, 2013 10:01 am

B-Side wrote:does cardinale get nude cuz if not then i can't participate
I've no idea, but there's only one way to find out!
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Post by B-Side » Tue May 21, 2013 10:05 am

quick, somebody watch it and tell me if there's cardinale nudity so i can know whether to watch it or not
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this guy isn't very good
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Post by snapper » Tue May 21, 2013 10:30 am

Have you seen it though Trip

I've heard great things
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue May 21, 2013 2:06 pm

Haha
Mark Cousins' Top 10 Romantic Movies:

Mother and Son
The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
In the Mood for Love
Fear Eats the Soul
The Apartment
November Days
Girl With a Suitcase
A Moment of Innocence
Kaagaz Ke Phool
The Master
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1960)

Post by Birdie Num Nums » Tue May 21, 2013 2:27 pm

JediMoonShyne wrote:Is there a particular day people would like to aim for?
A weekend.
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue May 21, 2013 3:42 pm

More from Cousins:
Then I watch Valerio Zurlini’s The Girl with a Suitcase. The first thing Cardinale does in the picture is have a piss by the roadside. Then she’s dumped by her rich playboy. Then she meets his younger brother (Jacques Perrin), who falls for her but doesn’t quite know he’s doing so, because he’s 16, because he’s so bien elevee and polite that his concern is for her welfare rather than his heart. Zurlini likes to watch Cardinale walk as Hitchcock liked to watch Montgomery Clift walk, and the set-piece conversations between her and Perrin are as intense as those between Clift and Elizabeth Taylor in A Place in the Sun (1951). The film’s structured around them. Maybe it’s the altitude, or the beauty of Cardinale and Perrin, who vie to outdo each other in the allure of their eyes and skin, but my breathing gets shallower as the film goes on. The finale, on a beach at dusk, after a lot has been said and pretended and imagined and feared, made me feel 16 again.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm

I think B-Side should be the one to download it and upload it to Dropbox
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Wed May 22, 2013 7:18 am

Birdie Num Nums wrote: A weekend.
Sounds good to me

Would this weekend be too early?
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Post by Notes from Underground » Wed May 22, 2013 7:20 am

Bandy Greensacks wrote:I think B-Side should be the one to download it and upload it to Dropbox
I'm still waiting.
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Post by B-Side » Wed May 22, 2013 7:20 am

i like the idea of cardinale peeing

there's nudity potential here
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Post by charulata » Wed May 22, 2013 12:41 pm

I can't promise I'll get to it if it's this weekend. Am off to NYC for a couple of days etc.. but Cardinale increases the likelihood of my participation several-fold.
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Post by Notes from Underground » Wed May 22, 2013 12:43 pm

charulata wrote: Dropbox Link
:fresh: Thank you.
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Wed May 22, 2013 1:02 pm

Good work, charu. :heart:
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charulata wrote:
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Wed May 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Thanks for doing B-Side's job, charu! Now he'll NEVER understand the benefit of a hard day's work
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Thu May 23, 2013 2:42 pm

A couple of initial observations:

Il Boom Economico e il Bagno Nero

There has been a tendency among Italian critics, when not dismissing Zurlini's body of work, to frame it in the context of its aesthetic qualities alone. If nothing else, La Ragazza con la Valigia is proof that his work does in fact belong; that it deserves to be considered not just in a material context but also a historical one. In this case, the subject is the Italian economic "miracle" of the fifties and early sixties, which not only influenced the film industry but also the content of its output. Suddenly, social values changed: it became not about survival but about how to make a quick buck, often aggressively and with little regard for the law, as seen in films like Dino Risi's Il Sorpasso and Vittorio De Sica's Il Boom. Life for many, from each end of the class spectrum, became one lived in the fast lane; between the highway, top down with the wind blowing through one's hair, and the beach - two locations that are a feature of this period in Italian cinema, and act as bookends here. In the words of Jameson, there became a certain nostalgia for the present, with tradition being dismissed in favour of fashion and consumerism - something that Zurlini attempts to illustrate here by contrasting, at times jarringly, classical music with the pop songs of the time. There are also the symbols of consumerism, such as the iconic Coca Cola logo, but also general household conveniences like the record player, iron and telephone (or, publicly, the jukebox and swinging chair); at one point, Claudia Cardinale's character comments, wide-eyed, on her young companion's black ceramic bath: "I didn't know Italy had these", she says. As Gian Piero Brunetta has pointed out, it was often strong female characters who "paid the highest price" in films from this period - Antonio Pietrangeli's La Parmigiana and La Conoscevo Bene, to give two more examples - and that is certainly the case here, given that the majority of the male characters treat Cadinale's Aida like nothing more than a piece of meat. Yet, the narrative is ultimately cyclical, in that she is just as keen to exploit the young man who falls in love with her.

La Coppia Impossibile e la Porta Chiusa

So yes, La Ragazza con la Valigia is certainly topical, but I like that it is rooted in something more traditional: the story of the "impossible couple", like Romeo and Juliet, who are bound to be apart because of their respective backgrounds. It is a cross-class relationship, something that Zurlini makes abundantly clear, but then these are no star-crossed lovers in that his feelings are clearly unrequited - or, at least, not initially reciprocated. There is also a prominent age gap, as well as a stark difference in sexual innocence and purity (his is intact, hers is not) - she mentions at one point that she has a son, but we hear nothing more of him. There was a similar central relationship in Zurlini's preceding Estate Violenta, but with less of an age gap. On reflection, La Ragazza con la Valigia reminds me a lot more of Jerzy Skolimowski's later Deep End, which features many of the aspects listed previously. Ultimately, we get the impression that the older female character is very much aware of the effect she is having on her younger male counterpart, even if she says otherwise. She is flattered by the attention, and appreciates that it is a lot less threatening than most of the attention she usually receives, and in the end takes it for granted. Once again, eventually becoming the abuser that exploits and then dumps her at the beginning of the film. Another thing I noticed about Cardinale's Aida character is that, while seeming to throw herself headlong into bad situations, she is actually quite defensive. This is perhaps best illustrated in a recurring exchange, in which she is disturbed in her apartment by a knock at the door, and calls out for the person to enter despite the door being locked. To me, this is Zurlini showing that his female protagonist is very conscious of the image she portrays in public, and how that differs with who she is when by herself. Her fortune will not be attained by crafty or underhand means, as with the hustlers of Italian cinema during this period, but by how she conducts herself.

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Post by snapper » Thu May 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Is this for this weekend or next
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Post by snapper » Thu May 23, 2013 7:16 pm

oh ok, might have to miss it again :/ but i will try to see Malina, Bad Luck and this one next month
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Thu May 23, 2013 8:52 pm

snapper wrote:Is this for this weekend or next
Whatever's easiest for you guys!
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So next weekend?
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Post by Notes from Underground » Sun May 26, 2013 7:38 am

Bandy Greensacks wrote:So next weekend?
I hope so.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon May 27, 2013 11:46 am

Bandy Greensacks wrote:So next weekend?
I really hope this was the consensus! I can watch it this coming weekend.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:00 am

So are we all in agreement that we should watch this before Monday, or what?
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How are people getting on?
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:13 pm

JediMoonShyne wrote:How are people getting on?
It's half watched. I'll finish today.
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Plan to watch it today
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Post by B-Side » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:26 am

sorry, i can't be bothered to watch anything of late, so i'll have to pass
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Post by snapper » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:43 am

I'm trying I'm trying its really long though and i have four essays to write by next wednesday + a 10,000 word submission

i'm promising myself that i'll see this, bad luck and malina - hopefully in one day soon

hopefully more people DO see this, I dont want the class trip to end at 10 (although I'm happy it got this far!)
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:00 am

I already have something interesting for 11 if no one new contributes here, so let's try to get there

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Hey, I really enjoyed this! From the descriptions I'd read and the blurbs Jedi posted, I expected something much more cynical and ironic. Apparently Mark Cousins was the only one who saw the same film I did. It's a simple story, elevated by those faces, and a delicate, probing understanding of Aida's constantly changing motivations. Both characters are satisfyingly complex. Oh, and I loved the music all the way through. That scene where she comes down the stairs to the Verdi! :heart:

I have a big question about the end:
Did his final gift mean he saw her as someone who needed to be paid? That's the way I first took it, a cynical joke of a love letter. But that doesn't seem to fit with the level of mutual understanding I read in their goodbye. Strangely enough, I think a lot depends on how much it is. Is it enough to actually buy her some freedom from the men she uses to survive? Then I think it'd be more of a 'grand gesture,' a final, foolish proof of love.
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Then I think it'd be more of a 'grand gesture,' a final, foolish proof of love.
It was this.

I found the film boring.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:47 pm

Aw, I wasn't bored at all. I was afraid I was going to be when she went back to her old life. But then it got good again. I guess if you were bored it didn't do anything visually interesting? This isn't the type of film I'd normally expect to enjoy. It's almost... romantic. I guess if there's a type of movie love I like it's doomed love. :P
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Post by Trip » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:01 pm

He does what he did in the other two I saw: creates a tension between a character in the foreground on one side of the frame, and another character on the other at a different depth. No shot-reverse-shot stuff. The visual tension is not instructive here, however (unlike in Estate Violenta, in which it is palpable). It's not entirely without visual interest though. I'm thinking of their meeting on the mansion steps, with the shadow of the swaying tree on the wall...and the clock between them at the end. As with Cronaca familiare, it has a leisurely, protracted pace, one I can dig until about halfway when I decide the drama is tedious. Is it really complex as you say?
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:19 pm

Trip wrote: Is it really complex as you say?
Maybe not. I just really liked that we got to see her thought processes as much as we did (I didn't expect to sympathize with her, but I could see why she felt trapped), and, that, at the end, there seemed to be a realistic understanding between them. It didn't turn into a soft-focus romantic fantasy.
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:37 am

- The first 30-40 minutes are painfully boring, mainly because the blocking severely limits the actors' ability to move naturally, and they come off as almost lethargic as a result
- The dance scene at the hotel and what immediately follows it is pure gold. I wish the rest of the film had been this self-contained, well paced and full of simple glances conveying complex emotions.
- Whoever handled the dubbing/ADR wasn't very good at what they do, but I suppose that's a problem with most Italian productions. It's hard to take Cardinale's lip syncing seriously when she seems to be doing it to a different song.
- The final shot might be iconic if the film were better known, because it's almost a perfect emotional send-off.

Overall, I'd say I quite liked it. I just wish the first third hadn't been so pedestrian.
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:45 am

So if I were to put up a #11 over the weekend (or sooner), would anyone be interested? Would anyone object to my doing it? I've had this film sitting on my HD for a week or so now, and I'm pretty sure everyone is unfamiliar with the director.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:50 am

Also, more people should watch this. There is discussion to be had.
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by snapper » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:22 am

I'll most likely be available for Bandy's next one because uni will be over for me by then
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:45 am

Bandy Greensacks wrote:It's hard to take Cardinale's lip syncing seriously when she seems to be doing it to a different song.
That's because she's speaking French. :P
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by B-Side » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:11 am

again, sorry i couldn't join in on this one, but i'm notoriously unreliable, so you probably should have expected it

i blame you for even tempting me with this and the subsequent guilt i've felt for not participating
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by traz » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:54 am

how do you participate

just watch the film

cause i dowloaded it so i'm halfway there
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Re: Class Trip #10 | The Girl with the Suitcase (Zurlini, 1961)

Post by Bandy Greensacks » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:56 am

traz wrote:how do you participate

just watch the film

cause i dowloaded it so i'm halfway there
You're getting the hang of it
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