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Post by charulata » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:13 pm

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I think making films deals with something more important than a role and/or being only a woman director. I only try to be the best I am as a human being.
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The plan's really simple. Maiden and I will be using this thread to explore a few female filmmakers that have been on our radar for a while. We have a preliminary list of filmmakers all ready to go but if things go well, we'll expand the list gradually. Suggestions are more than welcome, especially if you can make a compelling case for them.

We'll be discussing 3 (or thereabouts) films per filmmaker and we won't be starting our discussion till we're done with all 3 films. The hope is that discussing all 3 in combination might allow us to get a broader perspective of the filmmaker's style, thematics and so on. The discussions will take place in real-time over on this very thread hopefully with broader participation.

A priori, we have no particular reason to think that gender issues are likely to come up. It's certainly not our intent to approach these films/filmmakers with that lens taking precedence. However, if it does come up, we're not opposed to discussing it per se.

We plan on keeping the thread updated well in advance with the names of the filmmakers and specific films in the hope that others can watch and join in the discussion. Pls contact me if you have availability issues and I'll do my best to help.

Now, Don't pretend you're not turned on :shifty eyes:

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Kira Muratova: intro, discussion
Chantal Akerman: intro, discussion
Nina Menkes: intro, discussion
Kathryn Bigelow: intro, discussion
Sally Potter: intro, discussion
Maya Deren: intro, discussion
Agnès Varda: intro, discussion
Samira Makhmalbaf: intro, discussion
Ann Hui intro, discussion
Chantal Akerman Part II intro, discussion
Margarethe von Trotta
Marguerite Duras
Dorothy Arzner
Sara Driver
Marzieh Meshkini
Ann Hui Part II
Naomi Kawase
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Post by Willow » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:27 pm

Well, this is my favorite thread.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:33 pm

Thanks for the interest, guys. We're really excited to finally do this!
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Post by The Last Baron » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:37 pm

Ooh, horror films.

OK no more misogyny.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:48 pm

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  • Kira Muratova was born in 1934 in Bessarabia (present-day Moldova). After studying philology at Moscow
    State University, she enrolled at the State Filmmaking Institute, where her teachers included legendary
    Soviet director Sergei Gerasimov (now the namesake of the Institute). She graduated in 1959, and since
    1961 has worked out of the Odessa Film Studio. Muratova's unmistakable style and her penchant for "small"
    themes of humanitarianism and emotional relationships emerged in her earliest films. Her early [films] were
    shelved by the censor until 1987 due to their intensely personal, "non-civic-minded" themes and their auteur
    formal features. With the end of censorship, Muratova quickly won renown at home and abroad, is one of
    the undiscovered classics of the Soviet 60s and 70s and a leading figure in contemporary art cinema. Her
    artistic vision has remained intact in her post-perestoika works, all of which have earned awards both in
    Russia and at international festivals.
    (More here.)
Charulata and I are going to start the series by viewing and discussing four films by Kira Muratova. I've been itching to see more by her ever since LEAVES convinced me to watch Passions last year. I'm hoping to gain some context for that absurdist comedy and am eager to see her delve into darker territory. I did consider having us watch something less frivolous in place of Passions, but I'm hoping it will provide value as contrast. Plus, I'm looking forward to hearing how Char compares it to something like Daisies, which she was able to appreciate and I wasn't.

Of course, we want to hear from others, too, so we won't begin the actual discussion for a few days, in order to give anyone who's interested a chance to see a film or two first.
Update: The Muratova discussion begins here.
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Post by charulata » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:15 pm

Btw, boys are allowed to play along too. Also, we are planning to begin our Muratova discussion on June 23rd.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:23 pm

charulata wrote:Btw, boys are allowed to play along too.
Can we? :)
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Post by charulata » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote: Can we? :)
As long as you shower regularly and aren't smelly!
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:38 pm

Akerman, man!
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Post by Circus Freak » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:42 pm

I saw The Asthenic Syndrome a few years ago. I didn't understand it.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:46 pm

Circus Freak wrote:I saw The Asthenic Syndrome a few years ago. I didn't understand it.
Perfect. Re-watch and discuss it with us?
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:47 pm

charulata wrote:
As long as you shower regularly and aren't smelly!
Don't try to change me, baby.
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Post by charulata » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:51 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote: Don't try to change me, baby.
:P
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Post by Vasco » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:55 pm

Lana Wachowski!! :D
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote:Don't try to change me, baby.
Haha! I was going to tell Char not to raise the bar too high. We need some testosterone to balance out all this estrogen. :P
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And that bar is so high. :D
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Colonel Kurz wrote:And that bar is so high. :D
It's no wonder none of my relationships work out :D.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:02 pm

Insurmountable bars... of soap.
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Vasco wrote:Lana Wachowski!! :D
I almost said, "I've never heard of her!" and then it hit me.
Colonel Kurz wrote:Insurmountable bars... of soap.
:D
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Colonel Kurz wrote:Insurmountable bars... of soap.
Hahaha :D. Plus, bar soap is ew.

Am sure Maiden already regrets making this a joint thread with me!
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Vasco wrote:Lana Wachowski!! :D
Not sure if this is a knock on her as a filmmaker or because she's transgender. Either way :(
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Willow wrote:
Not sure if this is a knock on her as a filmmaker or because she's transgender. Either way :(
He's such a pig, that Vasco.
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JediMoonShyne wrote: He's such a pig, that Vasco.
Not as bad as that guy from Italy who keeps rubbing new Reygadas in everyone's face.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:41 pm

charulata wrote:
Hahaha :D. Plus, bar soap is ew.
Well sure, but you shouldn't use soap you find in bars.
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Colonel Kurz wrote: Well sure, but you shouldn't use soap you find in bars.
Did you learn that from a Tom Waits song?
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:58 pm

*Thinks: "that's better than admitting how you really learned that"*

Sure, from a Tom Waits song.
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charulata wrote:
As long as you shower regularly and aren't smelly!
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Post by B-Side » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:43 pm

charulata wrote: INDEX
Menkes
Deren
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Willow wrote:
Not sure if this is a knock on her as a filmmaker or because she's transgender. Either way :(
Neither.
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Post by MrCarmady » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:53 pm

Vasco wrote: Neither.
Only one film to discuss, though, right? Or does everything she's done back when she was Larry count as well? Anyway, I should see Bound, but Speed Racer would probably not sit well with Maiden :(
All facetiousness aside, looking forward to this. I've seen one Muratova from her earlier period, but sadly there's no subs for that. I'll try to watch along but you know how it is...
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B-Side wrote: :heart:
We totally had you in mind when we picked Menkes <3.
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MrCarmady wrote:Anyway, I should see Bound, but Speed Racer would probably not sit well with Maiden :(
What kind of insult is this?! I love Speed Racer, and I'm not joking.
I'll try to watch along but you know how it is...
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Post by charulata » Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:59 pm

MrCarmady wrote: Speed Racer would probably not sit well with Maiden :(
Well, I love Speed Racer. Eye candy!
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Go girls, Speed Racer is so good.
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Post by Willow » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:13 am

Speed Racer is amazing.

I'm going to do my best to keep up with this thread by watching all of these films. I'm not great at discussion so I'm not sure how much I'll bring to the table though.
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Yay Speed Racer love!
I'm sorry I doubted you :(
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Willow wrote: I'm going to do my best to keep up with this thread by watching all of these films. I'm not great at discussion so I'm not sure how much I'll bring to the table though.
:heart:
You really don't have to post walls of text or anything. Just letting us know if you liked the films or not and mentioning anything that stands out or that you think might be worth talking about more will make for great support <3.
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Post by elixir » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:23 am

Cool. Very much have been meaning to see more Akerman.
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Willow wrote:I'm going to do my best to keep up with this thread by watching all of these films. I'm not great at discussion so I'm not sure how much I'll bring to the table though.
This will make me so happy! The discussion means more if others have seen the films! Also, what Char said.
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Post by MrCarmady » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:34 am

17.5 months, impressive. Then again, we weren't really friends back then, were we?
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Post by Willow » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:03 am

Okay, I grabbed The Asthenic Syndrome and Three Stories off of KG and I added Passions to the top of my netflix queue.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:11 am

Ovarian.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:13 am

Willow wrote:Okay, I grabbed The Asthenic Syndrome and Three Stories off of KG and I added Passions to the top of my netflix queue.
I don't believe it! Netflix has two by Muratova now?! I didn't even think to check, because they'd had none when I last looked.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:16 am

Epistemophobia wrote:Ovarian.
Ocular.

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Post by Nick » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:19 am

This Speed Racer love is heartwarming.

Also, cool thread.
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Post by MrCarmady » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:22 am

I've seen one Muratova from her earlier period, but sadly there's no subs for that.
Turns out I was wrong, and my half-hearted attempts to make subs for that one were finally supplanted by someone competent. Also, apparently, it was featured in The Story of Film. If you shall get that one (Dolgie provody, BTW), let me know, I've never really discussed it with anyone and I wouldn't mind a re-watch if I watch other Muratova films to go along with it.
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