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For this class trip, we venture into the works of a contemporary Portuguese filmmaker I've been eager to explore for a while now.

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Sapinho's name seems to frequently come up alongside Joao Pedro Rodrigues, a filmmaker whose work I really love and respect. Sapinho started off as a documentary filmmaker and moved on to fictional features. A more anthropological style that treads the line between fiction and documentary seems to interest quite a few young Portuguese filmmakers. So Sapinho theoretically fits right into that group.

Some screenshots I grabbed from skimming the film..

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In an attempt to drum up participation, I've uploaded the film here so everyone has free access etc.

Basic idea is that we all watch and post our thoughts on the film on or around 16th Feb.

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Might just watch this one tonight!

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Might just watch this one tonight!

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I'm in

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In.


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Definitely in once I get caught up on the last class trip.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:51 am
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I'm in. And I'll try to be on time this week.

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Yee thanks for the upload charu. Will watch it later this week.

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Happy to upload stuff for group projects anytime.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:21 am
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Happy to upload stuff for group projects anytime.

Next time mebbe get a 720p rip, k? :-|


Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:39 am
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I've already received your long list of complaints against me. No need to rehash all this here. Ugh. You're just like snappy's housemates.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:44 am
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that .srt better be more coherent than some of those fucking Bengali translations


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I love you too fliegiepookums :) :heart:

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Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:48 am
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:-/


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I didn't read the above; started grabbing it on KG.

Taking forever, though. :(

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Did it come through, Jedi? Am seeding it now.

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Hmm... I like the ideas of these threads. And since you uploaded it, I don't really have any excuses to not participate, do I?

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Did it come through, Jedi? Am seeding it now.

Got it, thanks! :heart:

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Hank wrote:
Hmm... I like the ideas of these threads. And since you uploaded it, I don't really have any excuses to not participate, do I?

None :)

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Oooooh this one looks snazzy.

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Downloading. I'll watch it before the 16th.

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I'm watching this tonight!

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I'm watching this tonight!

Same here!!

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Will do this tonight too hopefully

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Has anyone here seen João Pedro Rodrigues' Odete? Very similar to this one.

Turns out it was produced by Sapinho's own production company, Rosa Filmes.

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I've seen and really like Odete and the Rodrigues connection is what got me curious about Sapinho.

Rodrigues operating the clapboard for Sapinho a couple yrs before he made his first film... (from KG)
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Jeez, charulata. First Four Nights with Anna and now this! I'm going to have to go watch something bleak and apocalyptic and Russian just to cheer up. :P

Actual thoughts to come...

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Jeez, charulata. First Four Nights with Anna and now this! I'm going to have to go watch something bleak and apocalyptic and Russian just to cheer up. :P

Actual thoughts to come...

Hahaha :D You asked for it :D And more to come from me as well later today.

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I gotta say this was a miss with me. Sorry, charu!

It is not really a chore to watch, but there's nothing much here to grab the attention or engage the imagination or the intellect or whatever. And it is pretty much resplendent in international indie clichés - poverty, parent/child, road movie, lack of dialogue, obligatory
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that doesn't really need to happen except to inject another "bad thing" into the plot. When it appears to try to twist the strange nonentity of the narrative into some kind of feminist statement at the end, it doesn't really work (esp. considering the shoehorned inclusion of the aforementioned
rape scene
). The score is so weird and strangely kitsch and intrusive, and although this appears to have won some cinematography prizes it doesn't look fantastic, although it really picks up once they go on the road and the night scenes introduce some interesting minglings of lights and textures. Recalling one shot looking down a misty road with a dog in the foreground and a shot where a man and boy play soccer in front of a parked truck with its headlights on.

In my French class at uni we have to watch these episodic infotainment videos which tell a simple story with French people speaking very slowly and going through lightly melodramatic situations with a kind of Salvation Army score behind them. It is kind of charming in that it was absolutely not meant to be entertaining in the traditional sense, but it isn't "good" on any level. This movie reminded me of that.

I did like the lead actress Amélia Corôa's acting, though, I just wished she had a real character to play and some interesting things to do.

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That being said, I really like what we've ended up with in the Class Trip series so far. Three completely different films from completely different periods - postwar Czech, Japanese New Wave and contemporary Portuguese indie. I think having the host be blind to the movie s/he picks results in some interesting (for better or worse) selections. Can't wait to see who and what goes next. Thanks for this round, charu!

I do also appreciate the motivation to watch movies this month, regardless of the my response to them - I think this is only the twelfth I've seen as I've been on my toes so much with all the shit going on.

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I don't disagree with you, snappysnaps.. which is perhaps why I've been hesitating about saying more. I see the similarities to Rodrigues but whereas Rodrigues's portrayal of these marginalized characters really works for me, this one felt mostly by-the-numbers. I blame the score a great deal though... that just bugged me soooo much. I think I'm also just tired of this structure with newer European cinema where these young mothers are burdened with these children they can't (or don't want to take care of.. depending) and their travails forming the crux of the film.

That said, I liked the cinematography a great deal more than you did. The blues and greens, the close-ups of the two women's faces, the car headlights being the only light sources in some scenes and so on. And I agree with you on the actress that plays the mom. I also really liked the first part.. just that portrayal of a certain strata of Portuguese society.. that was the part that was most reminiscent of Rodrigues for me.

And apologies in advance in case everyone found it as underwhelming as we seem to have. In my defense, it was a blind pick :(.

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No apology necessary, the risk is half the fun with this project

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I do wonder why the film is named after the police woman...

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I thought the first scene was quite well executed, and a good example of using visual storytelling to explain character motivations and backgrounds. After that, though, it became kind of a melodramatic, misanthropic version of Landscape in the Mist, and really just made me want to re-watch that film.

Some interesting lighting at times, though.

Oh, and Snapper is right about the music; the score sounds like an average musician trying to imitate Angelo Badalamenti and failing to grasp the intricacies.

Quick question, with potential spoilers:

What the fuck was going on in that candle wax/neck kissing scene? Seriously.

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I thought the first scene was quite well executed, and a good example of using visual storytelling to explain character motivations and backgrounds. After that, though, it became kind of a melodramatic, misanthropic version of Landscape in the Mist, and really just made me want to re-watch that film.

I haven't seen Landscape but I think I know what you mean. I liked more than just the first scene.. the whole section up until when they actually begin their escape actually appealed to me esp. in the way you describe (visual storytelling). And some of the scenes that came after held the promise of a better (or at least more interesting to me) film.. like when the mother watches Lili and her boyfriend wistfully.. this sense that she lost her youth and zest for life and love way too early.

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Oh, and Snapper is right about the music; the score sounds like an average musician trying to imitate Angelo Badalamenti and failing to grasp the intricacies.

That score was the worst part of the film for me. Drove me nuts.

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Quick question, with potential spoilers:

What the fuck was going on in that candle wax/neck kissing scene? Seriously.

Sorry to be of such little help but I have no idea. It was another one of those things that just felt like a self-consciously arthouse move to me.

I wish I liked this one more given that I got all of you to watch it and stuff :|

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Now for some stuff I liked about the movie..

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I wish I liked this one more given that I got all of you to watch it and stuff :|


It happens. We've all watched films we thought would have been a lot better.

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OK, now I don't have to write much, because it's mostly been said already, but here are my two cents. They had attractive faces, but I didn't feel I was learning anything from watching them. I really didn't like the forced miserablism and I especially hate stories about parents endangering their children. The score was just annoying, and I didn't even like the way it looked (sorry, char). As snapper said, it got better looking in some of the night scenes, especially those truck lights, but... too little too late.

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Quick question, with potential spoilers:

What the fuck was going on in that candle wax/neck kissing scene? Seriously.
I don't think this is any kind of spoiler, because I don't think we're supposed to jump to any sordid conclusions, but, yeah, who would write that scene!? So many false notes in this.

This feels weird, because normally I avoid saying anything around here about films I don't like. :P

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Obvious symbolism here, too, but I did chuckle:

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The score was just annoying, and I didn't even like the way it looked (sorry, char).

You don't need to apologize to me :) I am not disagreeing vehemently or anything!

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This feels weird, because normally I avoid saying anything around here about films I don't like. :P

Likewise!

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Yeah, this was a tonal mess - the score and the film really doesn't ever reach point where it feels unified, coherent in any one point, the miserablism bothered me - but that's more because it's miserablism for the sake of being miserable and downtrodden - which is not often anything but grating.

That said, there are moments that reveal an interesting eye, but it's mostly a failure.


Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:36 am
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I read somewhere that the film was shot twice, in full, and took seven years to complete, so I guess it was a passion project for Sapinho. I'm just not sure he accomplished what he set out to accomplish, even with the re-shoots, because it all feels very muddled.

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And, like, why should this be a passion project? It just seems like a poor project to waste seven years on.

I Facebook stalked the actor who played the son and he's really foxy now, so at least something good came out of it

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snapper wrote:

I Facebook stalked the actor who played the son and he's really foxy now, so at least something good came out of it

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Jedi, I hope you'll say s'thing since you watched it as well. I'll totally understand if you agree with the majority (consensus :( ) opinion here but am curious regardless - especially your thoughts on how this compares to Rodrigues's films. And anyone else that got around to watching this, pls chime in.

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Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:17 am
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Esp. so there's more names in the hat!

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If no one else is discussing should you hand over the reins?

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b/w Bandy and Maiden then? Actually am gonna include The Butcher too since he did participate in the Nanami discussion and didn't get a chance to be included in the draw for this round.

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And I guess Jedi said one thing about it

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Am gonna include Jedi just to force him into continuing to participate. We can't afford to lose members :)

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