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For a player as talented and yet inconsistent like Cromartie, sounds fair.
It will be interesting how he does now that every single QB will try to victimize him for not being Darrelle Revis.
Nah, he played shut-down in man to man last year, which is what he will play 90% of the time in NY. He was amazing. In zone he can't do as much, which is why all teams with great corners like to play man (Oakland with Nnamdi Asomugha, GB with Woodson, NY with Revis), but he was amazing in man last year and the year before he had a debilitating injury which means you can basically throw the year out. He should not have started, but they had nobody else, so he played hurt. People vilify him for no reason.

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For a player as talented and yet inconsistent like Cromartie, sounds fair.


He's still living off his big rookie year. Cromartie's a huge liability on run defense and he's been burned in coverage routinely of late. The Chargers would have been giddy to get a thigh pad for Cromartie at this point.

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He's still living off his big rookie year. Cromartie's a huge liability on run defense and he's been burned in coverage routinely of late. The Chargers would have been giddy to get a thigh pad for Cromartie at this point.
Sounds like someone who didn't watch every game this season. He was shut-down in man this season, and they didn't play a scheme conducive to ball-hawking corners (but they also played great defense and shut teams down in the red zone, like the Patriots of old) which resulted in, you know, the second best record in the AFC. The 'big play' that he allowed in the playoffs that he's been getting so much flack for... well, you see, the free safety missed the tackle to start, and nobody else filled the hole, and it's one of those things that happens a lot late in football games. Cromartie is built to be a man-to-man corner, and he will dominate. I would have preferred if he stayed on the Chargers, but they don't really use him to his strengths. If you watch the plays last season where he played man to man coverage you would have traded for him in an instant. In fact, if you watched him play last season you would have traded for him in an instant. Since when have cornerbacks who have been personally trained by Deion Sanders been great in run support? In NY he will play man to man 90% of the time with absolutely 0 run responsibility.

His second year he had a hip injury which should have prevented him from playing entirely, but he played through it.

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Not every corner in the NFL can be Champ Bailey, LEAVES.

When Cromartie starts taking away 50% of the field from the opposing quarterbacks, then he's welcome to get in the fetal position during run plays as is his custom.

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Yeah, NFL teams draft those 5'10" 180lb corners for run support... sure they do... and if someone can support the run but not cover, I'm sure they'll last... surely...

Coverage is all that matters. Run support is purely a bonus. Fabian Washington, who was easily the worst cornerback I have ever seen start in the NFL, still had a starting job last I saw - and he can't do either. Especially in man to man, however, run support is irrelevant. It's not even a responsibility. And the Jets play 90% man to man. He's a perfect fit. Also, he's far from the worst tackling corner out there. Far from it.

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Yeah, NFL teams draft those 5'10" 180lb corners for run support... sure they do... and if someone can support the run but not cover, I'm sure they'll last... surely...

Coverage is all that matters. Run support is purely a bonus. Fabian Washington, who was easily the worst cornerback I have ever seen start in the NFL, still had a starting job last I saw - and he can't do either. Especially in man to man, however, run support is irrelevant. It's not even a responsibility. And the Jets play 90% man to man. He's a perfect fit. Also, he's far from the worst tackling corner out there. Far from it.


I'm still not getting the mindset that it is okay not to be a complete football player. I used Bailey as an example because he is probably the most technically sound tackler --- at any position --- in the NFL. And his cover skills exceed Cromartie's.

And there was only one Prime Time so it would be silly to use him as an example.

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I'm still not getting the mindset that it is okay not to be a complete football player. I used Bailey as an example because he is probably the most technically sound tackler --- at any position --- in the NFL. And his cover skills exceed Cromartie's.

And there was only one Prime Time so it would be silly to use him as an example.
If you're going to get into 'complete players', talking cornerbacks especially, you're going to have to start with players like D'Angelo Hall who can't play man to man coverage before you get to those who can play man and zone and have some problems tackling.

At any rate, the whole 'complete football player' thing is absurd. How many running backs who can't catch would that rule out? Half of the league's best. Those with fumble problems? Both of those describe both Adrian Peterson and Ricky Williams. Running backs who can't run outside? There's most of your big backs. Running backs who can't block? LaDanian is no stalwart in that aspect. I'll take all these flawed players any day.
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Not every corner in the NFL can be Champ Bailey, LEAVES.
Also, this is the answer to your own 'complete player' dilemma.

I could add in - 'Not even Deion!'

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That was trash Casillas, but Sevilla apparently doesn't know how to kill a game so it looks like you're off the hook.


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If you're going to get into 'complete players', talking cornerbacks especially, you're going to have to start with players like D'Angelo Hall who can't play man to man coverage before you get to those who can play man and zone and have some problems tackling.

At any rate, the whole 'complete football player' thing is absurd. How many running backs who can't catch would that rule out? Half of the league's best. Those with fumble problems? Both of those describe both Adrian Peterson and Ricky Williams. Running backs who can't run outside? There's most of your big backs. Running backs who can't block? LaDanian is no stalwart in that aspect. I'll take all these flawed players any day.Also, this is the answer to your own 'complete player' dilemma.

I could add in - 'Not even Deion!'


You've made your point about the game having devolved into specialist players. D'Angelo Hall shouldn't even be in the league. Players who are fumble prone don't say, "Oh well... I'm just a fumbler" and quit trying to improve. All running backs who can't block well should be expected to work on their deficiency in practice. You seem to be making a case in defense of a professional football player who is afraid of the physical aspect of the game.

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You've made your point about the game having devolved into specialist players. D'Angelo Hall shouldn't even be in the league. Players who are fumble prone don't say, "Oh well... I'm just a fumbler" and quit trying to improve. All running backs who can't block well should be expected to work on their deficiency in practice. You seem to be making a case in defense of a professional football player who is afraid of the physical aspect of the game.
You said he's 'still living off his rookie year'. I say - he's living off having amazing man to man cover skills. And living well.

And why should D'Angelo Hall not be in the league? So that a worse zone corner can take his place? You can't play defense without a scheme, and some players are better for some schemes than others. Some positions don't even exist in some schemes. A cover 2 corner, Rhonde Barber, cannot possibly play in a man or a cover 3 scheme. And yet he's a Pro Bowler. His position is 'cover 2 corner', even if they just call him a 'cornerback'. D'Angelo Hall is a zone corner. Cromartie is a man corner who is also good in deep zone. Pash rushers must be able to cover in a 3-4, defensive tackles must cover 2 gaps in a 3-4, etc.

Deion worked on his tackling. He was never great at it. I'm sure Cromartie is working at it. He's been in the league 3 years and he is far better than Deion was at this point (I was living in Atlanta at the time). The point is this - he's worth being traded for, he's a starting caliber player, and his tackling abilities are almost as irrelevant as his kicking abilities.
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You seem to be making a case in defense of a professional football player who is afraid of the physical aspect of the game.
I don't know that I ever implied that - being a bad tackler doesn't mean you're afraid. However, I will certainly defend quarterbacks for being afraid of the physical aspect of the game. If a team doesn't like the way a player plays, you don't use him - same as any other job. There are few players who are perfect, everyone else has their weaknesses. I don't see how having weaknesses means a player is 'riding on past success'. He certainly wasn't a tackling machine his rookie year, so your bringing up that aspect now and not during his 'past success' seems like a strange double standard.

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That was trash Casillas, but Sevilla apparently doesn't know how to kill a game so it looks like you're off the hook.

The free kick was hilarious. As was Puyol's OG tonight.

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I don't know that I ever implied that - being a bad tackler doesn't mean you're afraid. However, I will certainly defend quarterbacks for being afraid of the physical aspect of the game. If a team doesn't like the way a player plays, you don't use him - same as any other job. There are few players who are perfect, everyone else has their weaknesses. I don't see how having weaknesses means a player is 'riding on past success'. He certainly wasn't a tackling machine his rookie year, so your bringing up that aspect now and not during his 'past success' seems like a strange double standard.


You are a Charger fan so you've seen more of their games than me. Rooting for Denver, I've seen them twice a year in the regular season, playoff games, and numerous highlights. Cromartie has not impressed me with his football acumen. And then there are several articles like this one from ESPN's Bill Williamson that do the corner no favors:

Antonio Cromartie’s last mistake as a San Diego Charger was against the New York Jets.

Now, Cromartie is a Jet. Good luck getting this guy to tackle, Rex Ryan.

One of the final straws for San Diego with Cromartie came in the AFC divisional playoffs against the Jets when Cromartie simply stopped pursuing New York running back Shon Greene at the line of scrimmage. Greene went on to score on a long touchdown that proved to be the game winner in the Jets’ 17-14 upset win.

He has been on the trade market all offseason. San Diego will get a third-round pick in 2011 that can increase to a second-round pick based on playing time. If Cromartie starts as expected, this should become a very good pick.

This is a good deal for San Diego. The Chargers were done with Cromartie and they could have cut him if they couldn’t trade him.

San Diego won’t miss him. Cromartie is an overrated player. He burst onto the NFL scene with 10 interceptions in 2007. However, he’s had a total of five interceptions the two seasons combined since.

He is a major liability in run support and he has had issues in the locker room.

San Diego will now move on and start 2008 top-pick Antoine Cason opposite Quentin Jammer at cornerback. Cason is ball hawk, who is growing into his own.

San Diego will not be hurt by this trade as it moves away from the Cromartie era.

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The free kick was hilarious. As was Puyol's OG tonight.

So bad. The OG less so. Madrid hammered Sevilla the last half hour. I don't really like Guti but he is a ridiculous passer when given time, which he had plenty of today.


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'Bill Williamson covered the Broncos for four seasons for the Denver Post.'

He's in the same boat as you!

Being that my favorite player of all time is Deion Sanders, my favorite player in the years when I had season tickets in Oakland was Charles Woodson, my position in football was cornerback, and having watched close to if not every game Cromartie has played in, I can account for pretty much everything that has gone on in his career - rookie year, dominant pass rush, quarterbacks releasing the ball quicker, defensive coordinators coaching attacking defense: interceptions; second year, injured, unable to change direction: an average year for a cornerback; third year, no pass rush, deep shell coverage mostly, keeping things in front, defense gave up yards in the middle of the field and shut down teams in the red zone in the style that the Patriots made so successful, no attacking the ball meant few interceptions and few knockdowns, and his few knockdowns came, typically, from breaking amazingly fast on routes in man coverage and having picture perfect blanket coverage with some of the fastest breaking on the ball I've ever seen; the stats are meaningless, the team went 13-3 and they lost a close game in the playoffs and he played great.

Whether he gave up on one play when the game was out of hand and the free safety missed a squared up tackle in the hole... yes, he's not a high effort guy, but he's far from the worst. If Eric Weddle had made the tackle then none of this would be an issue because all of the national media attention stems from one single play. Other than that they know absolutely nothing about him, because they are terrible at their jobs.

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Oh god, I can't even speak right now.

El Rey Van der Vaart!

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'Bill Williamson covered the Broncos for four seasons for the Denver Post.'

He's in the same boat as you!


You can take issue with my lack of objectivity, but Williamson is paid to cover all four AFC West teams. He's not exactly Red Smith, this is true; however, Williamson is serviceable enough.

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Other than that they know absolutely nothing about him, because they are terrible at their jobs.


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Seriously, though, most of those sports pundit guys have no idea what they're talking about if it's not Adrian Peterson. I don't know what they do with all their time, but they all say the same exact thing, top to bottom, and they all mention one play from one game, the last meaningful play of the last game they played. There's got to be more to a football season than that.

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Seriously, though, most of those sports pundit guys have no idea what they're talking about if it's not Adrian Peterson. I don't know what they do with all their time, but they all say the same exact thing, top to bottom, and they all mention one play from one game, the last meaningful play of the last game they played. There's got to be more to a football season than that.


Agreed. Especially the national guys on ESPN and Fox.

OT: what did you think of The Silence?

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Agreed. Especially the national guys on ESPN and Fox.

OT: what did you think of The Silence?
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Amazing best Bergman ever.


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Now you're pulling my chain.
There's a reason Kubrick stole liberally from it to make The Shining.

I've got The Smiling Lieutenant here. Seen that one?

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Okay, first of all, I can't believe that you guys are blaming the second Sevilla goal on Casillas. Alonso should not let the ball go there, you never ever let it go right through the most dangerous spot in a penalty area. Casillas' vision is only human, though that might be hard to believe sometimes, he doesn't see the ball in time. Alonso should just clear it.

Alright, where do I begin? Props to Señor Pellegrini for bringing in VdV and Guti right after the cold shower Drago gave every Madridista in the world. Guti has been in incredible shape this season, shame about the injuries. No one, not Xavi or Fabregas, can pass the way he does, you know, when he's having one of those Gutilicious days. It's visual candy. Van der Vaart, they were gonna sell him, Pellegrini said there was no spot for VdV in his team but how does the dütch respond? He says he wants to stay, he wants to fight for his place in the team. Eight months later, he's the king of Madrid. He's been spectacular all season long, really. Showing us why he was awarded with the Bundesliga player of the year statue instead of guys like Franck Ribery. The way he just passes via one touch makes the game flow just so much more, he's one of those players that makes a differance by just being on the pitch. Neat.

Cristiano Ronaldo, actually fighting for the team and not himself, making sure the crowd is on fire and you know that he will score a goal, he always does. Higuaín, very unlucky tonight, the bar, the post and Palop stood in his way all night long. Though he did a brilliant job playing a role that required him to move a little more to the left side, incredibly skilled when it comes to holding and moving the ball forward in order to create a finishing opportunity. Sergio Ramos, I got nothing but praise for him.

I hope the players have the same mentality against Lyon, the last 30 minutes, now that was perfect football. I'm glad Maradona was there to actually see it. :P

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It's, like, 99.2% on Casillas.


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I've got The Smiling Lieutenant here. Seen that one?


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So... if the WC started today, which 23 players (3 GK) would you call if you were the head coach of your favorite national team?
And who would you start.

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So... if the WC started today, which 23 players (3 GK) would you call if you were the head coach of your favorite national team?
And who would you start.

Ooh, good question. I'm going to think about this and get back to you.

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Ignoring current injuries...

GK Robert Green West Ham United
GK Joe Hart Birmingham City
GK Ben Foster Manchester United

DF John Terry Chelsea
DF Rio Ferdinand Manchester United
DF Joleon Lescott Manchester City
DF Stephen Warnock Aston Villa
DF Glen Johnson Liverpool
DF Ledley King Tottenham Hotspur
DF Matthew Upson West Ham United
DF Micah Richards Manchester City

MF David Beckham Milan
MF Steven Gerrard Liverpool
MF Frank Lampard Chelsea
MF Gareth Barry Manchester City
MF Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City
MF James Milner Aston Villa
MF Tom Huddlestone Tottenham Hotspur
MF Aaron Lennon Tottenham Hotspur

ST Wayne Rooney Manchester United
ST Peter Crouch Tottenham Hotspur
ST Jermain Defoe Tottenham Hotspur
ST Gabriel Agbonlahor Aston Villa

I've no idea who I'd start.

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Green
Hart
James

Terry
Ferdinand
A. Cole
Johnson
Jagielka
Baines
Brown

Beckham
Lampard
Gerrard
Barry
Milner
Lennon
Carrick
J. Cole
Walcott

Rooney
Defoe
Zamora
Crouch

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Goalkeepers? Shit.
Strikers? Shit.
Defence? Injury worries all round.
Midfield? Okay.

Doesn't exactly look like World Cup-winning material, but after 2006 I'll be happy enough if watching England games doesn't leave me wanting to decapitate myself.


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GK Guillermo Ochoa América.
GK Luis Ernesto Michel Guadalajara.
GK José de Jesús Corona Cruz Azul.

DF Rafael Márquez Barcelona.
DF Francisco Javier Rodríguez PSV
DF Carlos Salcido PSV
DF Efraín Juárez UNAM
DF Héctor Moreno AZ
DF Paul Aguilar Pachuca
DF Jonny Magallón Guadalajara
DF Oscar Rojas América

MF Gerardo Torrado Cruz Azul
MF Israel Castro UNAM
MF Andrés Guardado Deportivo La Coruña
MF Giovanni dos Santos Galatasaray
MF Pável Pardo América
MF Pablo Barrera UNAM
MF Sinha Toluca

FW Javier Hernández Guadalajara
FW Guillermo Franco West Ham United
FW Carlos Vela Arsenal
FW Aldo de Nigris Monterrey
FW Cuautémoc Blanco Veracruz

------------------Ochoa-----------------
Juárez----Rodríguez----Márquez----Salcido
-------------Pardo----Torrado-----------
-----dos Santos-----------Guardado------
---------Hernández-----Franco-----------

Anyway, that's just an ideal team. In reality, Aguirre will bring Ricardo Osorio and start him next to Márquez because he has a big boner for him. Don't missunderstand me, he's very good when he's on, but he hasn't played in Stuttgart in some time, I'm not exactly sure why. Also, Pardo, despite being arguably the best centre midfielder of the country won't go, ditto for Sinha despite the creative spark he could give to the team. Aguirre hates the two of them, Pardo for some personal shit or something while Sinha... I don't know why the hell does he hate Sinha that much. Instead we'll have to settle with Torrado and Castro, who, while not bad (in fact, I think that Torrado brings some toughness and leadership I like), they seem to me more defensive minded players than guys with creative spark which concerns me a bit, also, Torrado fouls a lot (it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up losing a game for cards) and is not a great passer. Worst of all, Aguirre seems capable of trusting the ship if they fall to guys like Luis Miguel Noriega who is another Torrado minus the leadership and experience or Jonathan dos Santos who's only 19-20 years old and plays mostly in Barcelona's reserve. I don't think is fair to trust a kid like him in important situations... or worst of all, he's capable of not bringing anyone behind Torrado and Castro.
Also, Cuatémoc made an awful choice changing Chicago Fire, a top MLS club where he was a star and away from Mexican media for Veracruz, a shitty team from the Mexican second division and that has been seemingly taking it's toll on him looking by the last two friendlies (against Bolivia and New Zealand) judging by his uncaracteristichally shitty game. If he keeps like that I would axe him, but, would Aguirre have the stones to do it?

Worst team ever.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:56 am
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Fiorentina choked that away, twice.

23 forthcoming.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:41 am
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Screw Ovrebo.

God, I'm so nervous but yet full of anticipation. Hm, 3-1 perhaps? Van der Vaart scoring the third goal and for the second time in 5 days, stands there as the king of Bernabeu. Wishful thinking.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:33 am
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Screw Ovrebo.

God, I'm so nervous but yet full of anticipation. Hm, 3-1 perhaps? Van der Vaart scoring the third goal and for the second time in 5 days, stands there as the king of Bernabeu. Wishful thinking.

Don't go down 2-0 though.

And picking this 23 is fucking impossible.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:41 am
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Don't go down 2-0 though.

And picking this 23 is fucking impossible.

I doubt we will. In the last five or so games, Lyon have only managed to score eight goals. What really scares me is the fact that no one has been able to score against Lyon in the last six games. Though Real Madrid have an average of 3.3 goals per match on Bernabeu this season. Hmm. :shifty:

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:45 am
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I doubt we will. In the last five or so games, Lyon have only managed to score eight goals. What really scares me is the fact that no one has been able to score against Lyon in the last six games. Though Real Madrid have an average of 3.3 goals per match on Bernabeu this season. Hmm. :shifty:

Something will break. :D

Sevilla made the mistake of giving Madrid time to play when they went up 2-0, and Pellegrini did a smart thing in recognizing that and pulling off Lass for another creative player (Guti). Lyon should avoid that foolishness or else they'll probably be stuck in their own 18 for the rest of the game.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:51 am
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Anyone else witness the steamrolling that was Arsenal vs. Porto tonight?

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:12 am
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Anyone else witness the steamrolling that was Arsenal vs. Porto tonight?

Highlights only, but I saw they used Nasri centrally rather than on the flank. I always felt he was somewhat peripheral out there, he needs to be central.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:19 am
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Nasri is brilliant as a like-for-like replacement for Fabregas. We didn't miss our captain at all tonight.

And Bendtner goes from shit to awesome in one night. Guess you'll have to find yourselves a new figure of fun, boys.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:09 am
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GK Federico Marchetti Cagliari Calcio
GK Gianluigi Buffon Juventus F.C.
GK Morgan De Sanctis S.S.C. Napoli

DF Alessandro Nesta A.C. Milan
DF Daniele Bonera A.C. Milan
DF Domenico Criscito Genoa C.F.C.
DF Fabio Cannavaro Juventus F.C.
DF Fabio Grosso Juventus F.C.
DF Giorgio Chiellini Juventus F.C.
DF Leonardo Bonucci A.S. Bari
DF Mattia Cassani U.S. Citta di Palermo

MF Andrea Cossu Cagliari Calcio
MF Andrea Pirlo A.C. Milan
MF Christian Maggio S.S.C. Napoli
MF Claudio Marchisio Juventus F.C.
MF Daniele De Rossi A.S. Roma
MF Massimo Ambrosini A.C. Milan
MF Riccardo Montolivo ACF Fiorentina

FW Alberto Gilardino ACF Fiorentina
FW Antonio Di Natale Udinese Calcio
FW Fabrizio Miccoli U.S. Citta di Palermo
FW Marco Borriello A.C. Milan
FW Mario Balotelli F.C. Internazionale

Nesta isn't coming back, but I can dream. I would like to bring Santon, he just needs to play a bit more consistently. Ambrosini is black-listed (ugliness?). Miccoli is also black-listed (called the son of the coach of the national team a corrupt piece of shit in court). Balotelli won't go, and he maybe shouldn't until he controls his id, but it's not like this team is any good anyways, maybe he explodes. I would like to take Cassano but he's been so black-listed that he's sunk into depression so I didn't even entertain that idea. Totti wants to come back but he's constantly injured, even moreso than the last World Cup; but he would be more useful than say Di Natale (who...actually leads Serie A in goals :-/ ).

Now as to who will go: Legrottaglie will go as a reserve centreback. He sucks, but he is employed by Juventus. Curiously, he never won a World Cup. Zambrotta will go, he won a World Cup...four years ago. Gattuso will go, he won a World Cup...four years ago. Neither are definite starters for Milan. Camoranesi will go, he just came back from a two month injury layoff, played 37 minutes, and got injured again. It's okay though, he won a World Cup (four years ago). He also plays for Juventus. And Iaquinta will go, he just made a 20 minute cameo after being out for approximately 120 days. You can guess the two attributes that guarantee his presence in South Africa. Oh, and the ages of those last five players: 34, 33, 32, 34, 31.

Worst team ever.


Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:35 am
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JediMoonShyne wrote:
Anyone else witness the steamrolling that was Arsenal vs. Porto tonight?

I'm so happy.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:42 am
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GK Eduardo Sporting Braga
GK Quim Benfica
GK Rui Patricio Sporting Clube Portugal

DF Pepe Real Madrid (damn injury)
DF Bruno Alves FC Porto
DF Ricardo Carvalho Chelsea
DF Daniel Carriço Sporting Clube Portugal
DF Paulo Ferreira Chelsea
DF Miguel Valencia
DF Duda Malaga
DF João Pereira Sporting Clube Portugal

MF Miguel Veloso Sporting Clube Portugal
MF Pedro Mendes Sporting Clube Portugal
MF Raul Meireles FC Porto
MF João Moutinho Sporting Clube Portugal
MF Deco Chelsea
MF Tiago Atlético Madrid
MF Fábio Coentrão Benfica

FW Simão Atlético Madrid
FW Cristiano Ronaldo Real Madrid
FW Nani Man United
FW Liedson Sporting Clube Portugal
FW Hugo Almeida Werder Bremen

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:02 am
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Real Madrid 4 - 1 Lyon

Man United 2 - 1 Milan

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Well.


Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:37 am
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Pellegrini is an idiot.

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Pellegrini is an idiot.

Expand?

Higuain must be kicking himself.

Although I didn't post it here, I said to a friend that Milan would lose 4-0 without Nesta.


Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:41 am
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Higuain must be kicking himself.

Although I didn't post it here, I said to a friend that Milan would lose 4-0 without Nesta.

Guti was inexistent in the 2nd half, yet he replaced Kaka by Raul. :roll:
Higuain had the chance to kill the game, poor guy.

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Guti was inexistent in the 2nd half, yet he replaced Kaka by Raul. :roll:
Higuain had the chance to kill the game, poor guy.

Well, such is the problem with Guti. I wouldn't have taken Kaka off either.


Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:07 am
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Well, such is the problem with Guti. I wouldn't have taken Kaka off either.


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Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:11 am
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Also: Argentines seemed to have a hard time scoring in this match.


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Void. Ugh.

Here we go again, everyone blaming the loss on Higuain even though the other idiots stopped playing in the second half. All that talk before the game and yet, they do this to their fans? I'm sick and tired of this, seriously. 2,5 billion Swedish krones spent and nada, this is it? Well of course, when the team is this arrogant and make these fucking promises, they're bound to eat up their own words on a french silver plate.

Pellegrini gets fired, Ribery, Silva and Ronaldinho bought. New coach. Second round Cl, AIK beat out Real Madrid. New coach gets fired and so on. It's a never ending circle. Atleast Milan didn't spend this much money, you know. It's funny, if someone had predicted that teams like Real and Milan wouldn't advance further in CL 8 years ago, everyone would have laughed.

The worst thing possible right now would be firing Pellegrini, therefore it's gonna happen.

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