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I can be a big name collector who pays big bucks! I just need one piece of art to showcase and then I can sell that art and buy more from you! :p

So your monstrously huge commercial art gallery is stocked up to the hilt, and you can only afford one space on the wall for now. Right? ;)

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So your monstrously huge commercial art gallery is stocked up to the hilt, and you can only afford one space on the wall for now. Right? ;)

It will be the centerpiece of the gallery. With all the other pieces with a "TBD" sign. :P


Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:15 am
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I just finished watching ...and God Created Woman (Vadim, 1956). When I saw the opening shot I recalled having seen the movie before, in my second semester film history class. That would have been Spring, 1971. The Criterion restored DVD version is beautiful to behold, and in its full Cinemascope aspect ratio. The colors are rich and smooth on the screen. A dust and scratch removing software package was applied, and the film looks pristine, nowadays.

In contrast to what I just saw, my recollection is of a film that is 4:3 aspect in black and white. Scratched emulsion. Dust and spots. Because that's how we saw it. I guess in 16mm in 1971, there were only Academy ratio films available for projection in classrooms. I wonder how many films I saw in class, of those made after 1954, that were actually panned and scanned from a wider format image!

Once again, I am thankful to have lived to this time when film technology makes so many good movies available for people like you and me to watch, even though we don't own a projector or a theater. I don't know how many of you younger folk have had a similar experience: realizing that the version of the film you remember is not the version that people in theaters saw.

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Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:00 am
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People go through that right now. But with Star Wars given that George Lucas has altered the movies (pray he doesnt alter them further).


Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:38 am
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:D

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Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:37 am
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Nowadays, many old films with Academy ratio get cropped for widescreen TV's. And before that, many of us here grew up watching 4:3 pan and scanned versions of films on video, I presume.

But my personal favorite is watching Book of Eli on a plane. I remember not seeing it before after bad reviews, but the one that had stuck with me was a review of a friend of mine. His main gripe was about the fake CGI blood and how that was indicative of what was wrong with Hollywood these days etc. But on the plane version, all of that was edited out and I found it no problem. :D

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Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:33 am
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My mom grew up with 4:3 pan so all she wanted was full screen movies when she bought them on DVD since she felt she was getting the "whole" picture. She has like a 65" Big Screen tv but it was 4:3 ratio so she didnt like how the movie only used up....I want to say probably half the screen. I tried to explain to her that you get the "full" picture that was intended with widescreen since they just zoomed in the movie for fullscreen.


Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:53 am
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I've learned that some people gripe bout the edge borders (left and right sides) when they watch material originally produced at 4:3 on a 16:9 screen. This process of showing the full image as shot on a screen of a different ratio will always confuse some people, I guess.

And it's true, as the Colonel noted, that a lot of films and television shows have been cropped top and bottom to conform them to the modern widescreen televisions. Probably due to that first bit I wrote about up there. There must be a technique like pan and scan, only vertical. What's it called?

Tilt and scan doesn't have the rhyming quality of the other term.

I saw Book of Eli from a Netflix DVD, and have no recollection about the quantity or quality of the blood in the movie! :D

Another thing that used to happen, but probably doesn't any more, is that 16mm prints of color films would be made for TV release, in black and white. I recall watching a film called The Boy with Green Hair one morning after my dad had finally sprung for a color TV...and even though the words 'Color by Technicolor' were prominently displayed in the opening credits, the film was clearly black and white. This puzzled me. At the time I didn't know about 16mm reduction prints, or that you could make a B&W print of a color film.

Since then I've bought the film on a DVD, and it's in color.

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Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:08 am
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Wasnt that done because back then a majority of tv sets where black and white. So they would show it in color in theaters and then it'd get...I wanna say "decolored" for the TV showing?


Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:18 am
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Pretty much. But even after 1965 when color television sales really took off, a lot of the prints that were around for TV exhibition were still black and white ones originally printed for the era when color TVs were too expensive for most to afford. It took over 10 years before most color films were broadcast in color, except for the national networks (there were three of those). The local stations had to buy color film chains to show their movies in color. And that took bucks and time to switch over.

The prices of color TVs began to fall, but my dad paid $970.00 for the 20" rectangular one he bought in 1968. The inflation calculator says that would equal an unbelievable $6,790.08 of buying power in 2017 dollars! No wonder the old man refused to buy a color television in the 1950s. But I wonder if prices are actually 600% of what they were in 1968.

Minimum wage for my first job was $1.60 per hour in 1968. That's supposedly the equivalent of $10.80 today. And a lot of prices I notice are about 10 times what they were back then. Bread was 35 cents a loaf. Milk was a quarter a gallon (which means it's now 20 times as expensive in the Hills of Arkansas). I could ride my bike down to the McDonald's on University Ave., and give them two quarters for a burger, some fries, and a milkshake...and receive a dime and a nickel in change.

My parents used to regale us with stories of nickel loaves of bread from the 1940s, and I knew I'd never get to tell my kids tales of prices that were really low like that.

Little did I know!

When I worked for Ch 13 in Memphis in 1973, the movies that were broadcast on the morning Dialing for Dollars show were 16mm prints that were circulated from station to station. The station owned a few film prints of its own, so if one didn't come in on time, they could sub another. When I would come in mid-mornings on some of the days I worked, the projector on the film chain would often be purring along, showing whatever the day's movie was. Meanwhile, the engineers might be back in the videotape room dubbing Lawrence Welk from the circulating videotape copy (open-reel 2" tape) to one of the recyclable reels the station kept on hand. Then, that episode would be sent off to the next station. Probably each station across the US would broadcast a different Welk episode each week...I mean different from station to station. I never asked.

Talk shows and others produced on video (switched live, of course) would be sent around as 2" dubs, copied by the local stations, and sent along. There were other syndicated filmed shows that were like that, too. They were laid off to tape from 35mm, and shipped around to the broadcasting stations that way. It was an improvement from showing 16mm prints of the television shows set up on the local film chains. A few years later the movies would be rented as 2" videotape and it made Dialing for Dollars look a lot better.

It's all digital, these days.

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Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:32 am
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Digital and they have tv cuts pre-planned from get go. They have people dubbing alternate words at the right from the get go.


Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:22 pm
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Are you a Melville fan, Ace?

I just watched "Second Wind," Le Deuxieme Souffle (1966). I usually enjoy Melville's films, even though I am not a fan of gangster movies as a genre.

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Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:59 am
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I dont think I can safely say I have seen a Melville film. I kinda hated my film studies class for glossing over huge parts of the film studies. She didn't essentially take us thru film. She started with the great train robbery. Then went on a tanget thru Flip the frog. She completely ignored George Meleis. And then after it that it was just normal movies. We didnt see any John Ford. We did see Mr Smith goes to Washington. I think that's the only notable one I can remember. For remakes she had us watched this Korean movie about food and a father and his daughters. Then we watched the american remake with hispanic people. I still dont think that was the route she should have gone.


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Le Samourai is an absolute must, Ace.

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Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:26 pm
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My film studies courses were in the 1970s (1970 and 1971), and we saw a few films made outside America, but no Melville. After all, he was still making films back then! My first exposure to his style was with Bob, le flambeur only a few years ago. Then with Les enfants terribles. These are different styles. I like them both.

I've had Le Samouraï on my radar for a few years, but haven't seen it yet. I also want to watch Le cercle rouge (1970) which we couldn't have seen in our film studies course, because it was just released in France while I was in my first semester of film history. Who could have predicted that his films would be classics by now? Surely, someone did.

Film is just too broad in scope to actually study in a single semester, or two. Sorry your experience wasn't satisfying. All those years ago there just weren't as many classic films as there are now. Think how many more films have been made since 1970! Things that you've always thought of as old films, classic films...hadn't been made yet.

Careers were made while I was alive, but unaware of the great film directors from other countries. There was less attention paid to foreign films back then. You saw them and porn at "art theaters." That's why I love DVDs. It's a cheap way to get to see the cinema of other countries. I'm glad I lived long enough to experience that.

Since you were in school, and directing your own study of film, as it were, have your tastes broadened because you've exposed yourself to previously unknown directors and films from other parts of the world? I know Stu's interests have been expanded through his curiosity and what he's learned about at RT forums and here. So have mine, I must admit.

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Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:16 pm
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I have broadened my scope of films. I only used to do usual american films but then I started getting into foreign films and culminated in me watching Once Upon in Anatolia. Which I greatly enjoyed.


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I have broadened my scope of films. I only used to do usual american films but then I started getting into foreign films and culminated in me watching Once Upon in Anatolia. Which I greatly enjoyed.

Then you are certainly not averse to subtitles!

I'll take that as a recommendation. I've seen a few of Ceylan's early films. I've promoted that to the top of my list as my next watch in my Flix queue (it was in there, but in the middle). Thanks.

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Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 pm
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...but then I started getting into foreign films and culminated in me watching Once Upon in Anatolia. Which I greatly enjoyed.

I enjoyed it, too. I've seen Distant (2002) and Three Monkeys (2008) along with this one. I may have seen Climates (2006) but I'm not sure.

The aspect of Ceylan's films (his surname is pronounced Jay-lan in Turkish, in case you don't know) that I like is his almost total avoidance of music on the soundtrack. For example, as far as I can remember (and I just watched the film last night) the only musical touch in Anatolia is a few notes that Kenen hums to himself at one point.

This film is an ostensible police procedural, but the procedure makes a framework for introspection, and even fits in a Chekhov short story. Ceylan dedicated his second film to Chekhov, by the way, so he is an admirer of the man's work. The actor who played the Mukhtar of the village, Ercan Kesal, is an actual physician in that village in real life. According to IMDb the event depicted in the fictional film is based on real events that happened to Kesal.

Ceylan often takes his ideas from reality, and doesn't Hollywood them up. His films move slowly, but with a purpose. Not everyone would like them, probably, and I wasn't sure I would as I watched Distant a few years ago. But the film drew me in, and held me for the running time. Since then I simply settle back and let Ceylan do his oddball screen thing, and so far have enjoyed the uniqueness of his vision and tales told.

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Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:41 am
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It was actually very funny. I didnt expect to laugh as much as I did. Also the nighttime photography was so good. I was just engrossed in the whole aspect of it. Although I liked the subtle thing at the end with the doctor got "mud" on his face after his diagnosis.


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